My collection as it was 11 years ago!

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My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby lizardb0y on Tue May 24, 2011 5:46 pm

I just ran across this news group post I made in 2000:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: DaeMon <dae...@godzilla.gen.nz>
Date: Jan 6 2000, 8:00 pm
Subject: Wanted old or broken
To: nz.reg.dunedin.general


Alan Powell wrote:

> Now what would you want with an 8-bit non-msdos machine?
> I have a Sega somewhere (my first computer, sentimental value stuff)  I even
> have a floppy disk thing for it.  They gave it a grand name and charged the
> earth for them.  Antique now, must be worth upwards of $1,000 :-) LOL
> <cough,gasp>......  Oh, OK then, maybe $10 at a push.  I might give it to
> you if I like what you want it for.

That wouldn't be a SEGA SC-3000 or SC-3000H would it?

I'm very keen on it - especially the floppy interface thingimy.  I'm
collecting old 8-bit machines so that they don't just vanish off into
rubbish dumps.  A preliminary website has been constructed but I haven't
put much in the way of data in it yet.  So far I have a fair collection
of boxes - off hand they consist of;

1/2 a ZX80 (not currently functional - no CPU, RF modulator or top
cover)
3 x ZX81 (1 non-functional, 1 with blown ULA, 1 fully functional)
1 x ZX81 16KB RAM Pack with a dodgy 4116 chip in it
1 x Spectrum 16k
1 x Spectrum 16k upgraded to 48k with Saga One keyboard (dodgy RAM)
1 x Spectrum+
2 x Sinclair IF1 with 3x Microdrives
1 x Sinclair IF2
1 x Sinclair printer
1 x Spectrum 2+
1 x Sinclair SJS1 Joystick
Assorted 3rd party Spectrum peripherals
2 x Amstrad 464 (1 functional 1 non-functional)
1 x Amstrad Colour monitor for 464
1 x Amstrad Mono monitor for 464
1 x SEGA SC-3000 and Tapedeck
1 x Mattel Aquarius with Printer
1 x Tandy CoCo3
1 x Dick Smith VZ200
1 x Dick Smith System 80
Several Acorn Atom with A/D cards.  (unknown condition)
Several BBC Model B (1 Functional with 6502 Second processor)
1 x BBC Master 128
1 x Acorn Archimedes 310
1 x Acorn Archimedes 3000
1 x Atari 800XL
1 x Touch Tablet for Atari
1 x Atari 1050 Floppy drive
1 x Atari 1010 Tapedeck
1 x Atari 7800 console
1 x Atari 2600 console with carts
1 x CBM Vic20 with C2N Cassette
1 x CBM C64 with 1541 Floppy drive
1 x CBM C64C with 1541II Floppy drive
1 x CBM Amiga 500
1 x pair Commodore paddles
1 x Apple //e with 2 floppy, 80col Serial, Parallel interfaces
1 x Circle ][e with 2 floppy
1 x Fountain Programmable Video System (TV console) with carts
1 x Spectravideo SV-328
1 x Spectravideo 605 expander with dual floppy and 80col card
1 x Macintosh Plus with broken external SCSI drive

In the "DOS-But-Unusual-anyway" Department;

1 x Amstrad PC1512SD with original packgaing and disks
1 x Amstrad PC1640DD fitted with HDD (no mouse)
2 x Amstrad PPC640
2 x IBM Personal Portable Computer 5515 (Anything but portable and
distinctly impersonal!)

A few machines may be missing from this list.

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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby Carcenomy on Tue May 24, 2011 6:02 pm

Did you score that SC/SF combo in the end? ;)
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby lizardb0y on Tue May 24, 2011 6:17 pm

Carcenomy wrote:Did you score that SC/SF combo in the end? ;)

As it happens, yes :)

I was donated an SF-7000 a few years ago by a friend who was clearing out his father's estate. It is one of the things I haven't had opportunity to test & repair. I have a couple of 3000's and a 3000H in working condition, as well as spare parts for both.

Almost everything I have is because I had some personal association with it from the 80s. My interest in the Sega's came from a) my friend Paul had an SC-3000 and kept telling me how much better it was than my Speccy (or it might still have been a ZX81) and b) A guy named Graeme used to bring one to the Central City Computer Interests Group in Dunedin - Graeme had the SC/SF and was the coolest thing since.. the last cool thing.

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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby Carcenomy on Tue May 24, 2011 6:56 pm

The SCs really are quite a neat wee machine. I've got one of each model with the Sega deck etc, the only thing I have ever had issues with is the state of the cartridge slot - it can take a bit of tongue angling and curse words to get them to boot ;)

Similar-ish collection to mine at the time, just with slightly different disciplines - I was a Commodore boy, not so much Speccies. :)
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby tezza on Tue May 24, 2011 10:15 pm

No "purely business" CP/M machines in the list Andrew? (Osborne, Kaypro, Epson QX etc.?) or Apple IIs?. No interest in these at that time?

So after 11 years have you added to the list or has the original one been culled a little?
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby lizardb0y on Tue May 24, 2011 11:09 pm

tezza wrote:No "purely business" CP/M machines in the list Andrew? (Osborne, Kaypro, Epson QX etc.?) or Apple IIs?. No interest in these at that time?


At the time I was on a very low income and supporting a wife and young child, so I made the decision to stick strictly to 8 bit home PCs. The Plus mentioned in that post got sold off, the Amstrad PCs got left with friends, and one of the 5155s has gone missing along with the original parts.

tezza wrote:So after 11 years have you added to the list or has the original one been culled a little?


The list now stands approximately like this:

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Brand   Model   Note
ACORN COMPUTER   Archimedes A-3000   
ACORN COMPUTER   Archimedes A-310   
ACORN COMPUTER   ATOM   Need PSU and some reassembly.
ACORN COMPUTER   ATOM   Some assembly required.
ACORN COMPUTER   BBC Master 128   
ACORN COMPUTER   BBC Master Compact   With external floppy drive unit
ACORN COMPUTER   BBC Model A   Upgraded to Model B spec by previous owner
ACORN COMPUTER   BBC Model B   
ACORN COMPUTER   BBC Model B   Parts machine
ACORN COMPUTER   Electron   With ROM expansion unit
ACORN COMPUTER   Electron   
ACORN COMPUTER   Electron   
ACORN COMPUTER   RISC-PC 700 Serie   Worked but needs replacement PSU
AMSTRAD   CPC 464   Mono, monitor works, computer
AMSTRAD   CPC 464   Colour
AMSTRAD   CPC 6128   
AMSTRAD   CPC 6128   Parts machine
AMSTRAD   PCW 8256/Joyce   With printer
AMSTRAD   PCW 8256/Joyce   
AMSTRAD   PPC 640   LCD damage but works
APPLE   Apple II Plus   With Disk ][ Unit
APPLE   Apple IIc   
APPLE   Apple IIc   
APPLE   Apple IIe   
APPLE   Apple IIe   
APPLE   Apple IIe Platinum   Average condition, ex school computer.  Single Apple 5.25
APPLE   Apple IIGS   
APPLE   Macintosh 512k ED   
APPLE   Macintosh Plus   
APPLE   Macintosh SE   Alone.  Sadly alone.
APPLE   Powerbook 100   Faulty HDD, other wise all goes.  With External floppy.
APPLE   Powerbook 160   All works, but seems to have developed floppy drive fault.
APPLE   Powerbook 180c   Battery leaked
APPLE   Powerbook 190   190cs, in original laptop bag
ATARI   1040 STFM   
ATARI   130 XE   Box in excellent condition
ATARI   130 XE   Box has packing tape all over
ATARI   2600 (wood/6 switches)   
ATARI   2600 (wood/6 switches)   
ATARI   2600 jr   
ATARI   2600 jr   
ATARI   2600A (black/4 switches)   
ATARI   400   With ROM and 810
ATARI   400   No ROM.  NTSC
ATARI   520 STe   
ATARI   600 XL   
ATARI   600 XL   
ATARI   7800   
ATARI   7800   
ATARI   800 XL   
ATARI   Flashback   
ATARI   Lynx II   
ATARI   Portfolio   
ATARI   XE Game System   polys, no box
ATARI   XE Game System   
CASIO   PB-110   
CASIO   PB-80   With original manual.
COLECO   Colecovision   
COMMODORE   Amiga 1000   
COMMODORE   Amiga 1000   
COMMODORE   Amiga 500   
COMMODORE   Amiga CD32   Machine mint, box average
COMMODORE   Amiga CD32   
COMMODORE   C 116   No PSU, Case slightly damaged.
COMMODORE   C 128D   
COMMODORE   C 16   Looks to be in mint condition.
COMMODORE   C 64   
COMMODORE   C 64c   
COMMODORE   C 64c   Looks like it might have an original C64 keyboard in it. 
COMMODORE   CDTV   With keyboard, remote, external floppy
COMMODORE   Plus 4   Missing =" key, below average condition.  For parts."
COMMODORE   Plus 4   Boxed US model
COMMODORE   SX 64   
COMMODORE   VIC-20   
COMMODORE   VIC-20   Damaged key glued back on.
DICK SMITH ELECTRONICS   System 80   Box is a bit warped but original.
DICK SMITH ELECTRONICS   System 80   Blue Label, RF cable standoffs, reset & video cut buttons missing.
DICK SMITH ELECTRONICS   VZ 200   With 16k RAM expansion
DICK SMITH ELECTRONICS   VZ 200   
DICK SMITH ELECTRONICS   VZ 300   
DICK SMITH ELECTRONICS   Wizzard   
DRAGON DATA   Dragon 32   With joysticks
EACA COMPUTER LTD.   Colour Genie EG-2000   
EACA COMPUTER LTD.   Colour Genie EG-2000   
FOUNTAIN   Force 2   Black
FOUNTAIN   Force 2   White
FOUNTAIN   Force 2   Black
FOUNTAIN   Force 2   Black
GAMEPARK   GP2X   GP2x Wiz
GRANDSTAND   Videomaster   
HANIMEX   TVG-070C   
HEWLETT PACKARD   HP-85   
IBM   5140 Convertible   With printer + CRT interface
IBM   PC Portable - Model 5155   Upgraded to XT spec. Used to run, not sure now.
ICL   OPD - One Per Desk   In need of repair
ICL   OPD - One Per Desk   In need of repair
MATTEL   Intellivision   
MATTEL ELECTRONICS   Aquarius   
MICROSOFT   Xbox   Compelte Interactive Display Unit, minor CD drive issues.
MICROSOFT   Xbox   Xbox Media Centre
MICROSOFT   Xbox   Parts.
MULTITECH   Micro Professor MPF-1   
NEXT COMPUTERS   NeXT Station /Turbo   Some screen burn but wiorks well.
NINTENDO   64   
NINTENDO   Game Boy Advance   Translucent Blue, damaged battery cover.
NINTENDO   Game Boy Micro   
NINTENDO   NES   
NINTENDO   NES   Entertainment Pack with light gun
NINTENDO   SNES   
NINTENDO   Super Famicom (Japanese)   
ORIC   ORIC 1   Boxed, yellowed but in good working order
OSBORNE   Osborne-1   Starts but displays garbled text.
PANASONIC   R-E-A-L 3DO   
PHILIPS   NMS-8280   Boxed near mint condition, with accessories.  All manuals in Dutch.
PHILIPS   VG 8020   In very good condition
PSION   Series 3   LCD prints only every 2nd line but is readable.  With serial cable and manuals
SEGA   Game Gear   TV tuner and all sorts :)
SEGA   Master System   
SEGA   Master System 2   
SEGA   Mega CD II   
SEGA   Megadrive   
SEGA   SC 3000   
SEGA   SC 3000   Parts
SEGA   SC 3000   
SEGA   SC 3000   Parts
SEGA   SC 3000   Parts
SEGA   SC 3000H   
SEGA   SC 3000H   Parts.
SHARP   PC-1350   Mint
SILVER STAR   Silver Star   
SINCLAIR   Cambridge   Z88 Complete, 512K RAM, 1MB Flash, EPROM & Eraser, TOPPER + more!
SINCLAIR   Cambridge   Z88
SINCLAIR   QL   Keys missing, parts machine
SINCLAIR   QL   Keyboard membrane damaged
SINCLAIR   ZX 80   Top case, CPU and modulator missing.
SINCLAIR   ZX 80   Near mint, imported from US.
SINCLAIR   ZX 81   For parts
SINCLAIR   ZX 81   For parts
SINCLAIR   ZX 81   For parts
SINCLAIR   ZX 81   Original kit, mint boxed
SINCLAIR   ZX 81   Original box, average condition
SINCLAIR   ZX 81   Polys, no box
SINCLAIR   ZX 81   Original kit, not yet assembled. Mint boxed.
SINCLAIR   ZX 81   Issue One board only, no cpu
SINCLAIR   ZX 81   With Sinclair 16k expansion
SINCLAIR   ZX Spectrum   16k, box in below average condition.
SINCLAIR   ZX Spectrum   16k upgraded to 48k and Saga One Emperor keyboard
SINCLAIR   ZX Spectrum   16K in mint condition, in Excellent condition box with polys
SINCLAIR   ZX Spectrum   48K with box in average condition. 
SINCLAIR   ZX Spectrum +   Some keyboard problems but otherwise good.
SINCLAIR   ZX Spectrum +   Parts machine.
SINCLAIR   ZX Spectrum +2   
SINCLAIR   ZX Spectrum +3   Box in damaged condition
SINCLAIR   ZX Spectrum 128   Keyboard problems
SONY   Hit Bit HB-75   Box tatty, machine in above average condition
SONY   Playstation   SCPH-5502
SONY   Playstation   SCPH-9002
SONY   Playstation   In original PSone Combo box, but no LCD.
SONY   PS-One   PSone + LCD Combo package in riginal box.
SORD   M-23 Mark III   
SPECTRAVIDEO   SVI-318   Missing the little red joystick
SPECTRAVIDEO   SVI-328   
TANDY   Color Computer 3   
TANDY   TRS-80 Model 100   
TANDY   TRS-80 Model II   In pretty bad condition
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS   TI-99 / 4A   
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS   TI-99 / 4A   
TIGER   R-Zone Headgear   
TIMEX SINCLAIR   1000   
TIMEX SINCLAIR   2068   Large red and white stripes on power.
TOSHIBA   HX-10   
TUNIX   HA-1   
VIDEO TECHNOLOGY   CreatiVision   Membrane keypad/joysticks.
VIDEO TECHNOLOGY   CreatiVision   Rubber keyboard, shift keys missing
VIDEO TECHNOLOGY   Laser 128   
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby tezza on Tue May 24, 2011 11:17 pm

That's a serious collection.

I know you want to add an Apple Lisa. No hankering for any of the IBM classics? (PC, XT, AT, PS/2)? Good to see someone else with a Colour Genie or two :)
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby lizardb0y on Wed May 25, 2011 6:55 am

tezza wrote:That's a serious collection.

I know you want to add an Apple Lisa. No hankering for any of the IBM classics? (PC, XT, AT, PS/2)? Good to see someone else with a Colour Genie or two :)


I'd like a 5150, but nothing more recent. Even the PC Convertible is an aberration, but a particularly cool one - it's a "laptop" that stands taller than my 4 yr old! (well, not quite, but it makes a good story).

My focus at the beginning was on Sinclair systems, as these were what I had as a lad. I was specifically *not* interested in Apple at the time, aside from the IIgs, because they had no personal relevance to me and, from my perpective in 1997 or thereabouts, they were common as muck and weren't particularly notable historically. I left Commodore to Alan Gilchrist, as he had done a better job than I could hope to. Though, if anything came up cheap I'd grab it - somebody would want it if I didn't.

The Colour Genies seemed a good fit as System 80s were one of the really popular hobbyist machines that I remember, and a friend had a VZ200 with all the trimmings, so the Dick Smith connection was strong :)
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby tezza on Wed May 25, 2011 9:04 am

It seems like the "personal connection" factor is a big part of your collection choice. I can relate. While my PURCHASE focus has been on what I regard as "classics" there are a few machines I have which are in the collection (or which I want) because of this personal connection. The Colour Genie, the TRS-80 Colour Computer and TRS-80 Model IV for example. Also the Epson QX-10 and Compucolour which I'm seeking. Those machines are not necessarily "notable" but I did know people with them or I saw them in magazines or shops at the time and would now like to own one.

Of course others are in the collection because people just gave them to me. You can't say no when people give you a working 1980s computer. :)
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby lizardb0y on Wed May 25, 2011 9:27 am

Yes, the personal connection has been the main driver for me, though that connection is often of the form "These looked really cool when I saw the ads in magazines"; both my Oric and Dragon 32 fall into this category as I never saw one in the flesh until I shipped them over myself. Whenever I see a computer and I get butterflies in my stomach, that's when I make the decision that I should have one.

I always sumarised my specialisation as "8 bit home computers, and revolutionary firsts," thus neatly allowing the original Amiga, Mac, IBM PC and Archimedes 310 in, amongst others. I have been somewhat liberal, as the Sinclair QL is neither 8 bit (well, kinda) nor revolutionary - but that fits in the Sinclair bucket anyway.

My "collector type" profile would be something like "Sentimental fool, preservationist and borderline hoarder."

With some small fear that the "hoarder" component is getting more of a foothold. :/
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby tezza on Wed May 25, 2011 1:04 pm

lizardb0y wrote:My "collector type" profile would be something like "Sentimental fool, preservationist and borderline hoarder."


LOL!

I've always thought how much fun it would be to get together as a group nationally, with some of our more weird and wonderful machines dragged out to show each other. A kind of NZ Vintage Computer "meet". We're all pretty familiar with C64s and Apple IIes but I'd love to see a Dragon and Oric in the flesh and some folks might like to see my working Lisas, my OSI Challenger, early-model Kaypro II and some of the other less common ones I have. It would also be fun to meet others who chat on here. Swapping/selling is also a possibility.

A thought for the future perhaps?
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby lizardb0y on Wed May 25, 2011 1:33 pm

tezza wrote:
lizardb0y wrote:My "collector type" profile would be something like "Sentimental fool, preservationist and borderline hoarder."

LOL!

I've always thought how much fun it would be to get together as a group nationally, with some of our more weird and wonderful machines dragged out to show each other. A kind of NZ Vintage Computer "meet".


It's funny you should bring that up. Over the past month or so I've found myself reflecting that, with the Intel 4004 turning 40 on the 15th November, that it's about time New Zealand had a "Vintage Computer Faire," or its close equivalent. I have fond memories of attending Expos in the late 70s and early 80s in Dunedin, and think that a retrospectively focussed event could be quite successful.

Planning for such an event would need to get underway fairly promptly, and I have no idea where to start.
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby tezza on Wed May 25, 2011 1:47 pm

lizardb0y wrote:
tezza wrote:
lizardb0y wrote:My "collector type" profile would be something like "Sentimental fool, preservationist and borderline hoarder."

LOL!

I've always thought how much fun it would be to get together as a group nationally, with some of our more weird and wonderful machines dragged out to show each other. A kind of NZ Vintage Computer "meet".


It's funny you should bring that up. Over the past month or so I've found myself reflecting that, with the Intel 4004 turning 40 on the 15th November, that it's about time New Zealand had a "Vintage Computer Faire," or its close equivalent. I have fond memories of attending Expos in the late 70s and early 80s in Dunedin, and think that a retrospectively focussed event could be quite successful.

Planning for such an event would need to get underway fairly promptly, and I have no idea where to start.


Yes. However, a large public (and publicised) "event" (no doubt with commercial sponsors etc.) is much grander in term of scale, cost preparation etc. than a dozen or so enthusiasts getting together to look at some machines, share a beer and tell some stories . I was thinking initially of something more modest.

Anyway it might be fun to throw some ideas around on here. I'll start a new thread.
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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby Harvey on Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:53 am

I'll just throw in some comments...

If computing is your interest - then I can perhaps see why someone would collect the ones which never took off - such as Oric and Dragon 32. But when you show these to Joe Public - they'll ask - is that all it can do?

If however videogaming is your interest? Then perhaps the Vectrex and Colecovision might seem worthwhile to have ... although these would have to be USA or UK imports. The former being USA, and I did see a Colecovision running in Bootes in London.

Showing off a system, just for system sake - will only confirm why it never took off, or was outdated to start off with. Compare the same TRS-80 game on it, with the Atari version - and notice the difference? (Sea Dragon?)

An easy way for a vintage computer expo - is to run it within some other event - Armageddon comes to mind? Or how about the anniversary edition of Octacon - which will be in June, I think - in Dunedin. I wasn't planning on attending. It'll be cheaper to rent a stall, than a whole hall or convention centre, etc.
Anyway - it'll be a lot of work involved - but you just need a core keen group who will turn up...

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Re: My collection as it was 11 years ago!

Postby port22 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:26 pm

tezza wrote:That's a serious collection.
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