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SE/30 recap - advice?

Postby mrad01 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:36 am

I have 2x SE/30s working with very quiet sound which is a sure sign they need all the caps on the motherboard replaced. They are all leaky electrolytic SMDs which I have found tantalum replacements for - easy. 11 to do.

I have a spare SE/30 motherboard which has no ROMs or CPU which I can start on.

Problem is that while I can solder all day long - i've not done much with SMDs - so, does anyone have any actual experience doing:

1. Tools required?
2. Removing the old SMDs properly
3. Mounting up and soldering the new SMDs in place

i have read all the forums online - but there are conflicting ideas on how to remove them, mount them etc. Some people say twist them off with pliers, others say no, etc. Random!

Who has done something like this and could kindly offer some wise advice? I'm sure this would be useful for those with Classics, Classic IIs and other Macs from that era.
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Re: SE/30 recap - advice?

Postby manuka on Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:06 pm

I do some reflow stuff and soldering SMD's, I would be very dubious of using pliers to remove the cap cold, I would be worried about damaging the board. When I have replaced SMD caps I've used a hot air gun like what they use for stripping paint.

One gotcha I have come across is making sure not to bump nearby components as if they are surface mount and hot they will move themselves see the pic below of a board I cocked up by moving the shielding before everything cooled, so I guess my advice would be to take your time :)

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Bear in mind the only experience I have is with modern components on modern boards.

a little o/t but a before and after of reflowing a graphics chip on a modern laptop motherboard

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Re: SE/30 recap - advice?

Postby mrad01 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:55 pm

Well, after much studying and watching videos on SMDs, I have "uncapped" the board successfully! It turns out that your major issue with these old boards is the pad lifting. A careful hand with the soldering iron, wick and tweezers - all removed without a hitch.

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Now to clean the pads, go and buy the tantalum replacements, and solder them in. For more SMD "how to", watch crazy Dave:

http://www.eevblog.com/2011/07/18/eevblog-186-soldering-tutorial-part-3-surface-mount/

I'll keep you posted.
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Re: SE/30 recap - advice?

Postby tezza on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:44 pm

That's great. Thanks for the link!
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Re: SE/30 recap - advice?

Postby arjoll on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:14 pm

mrad01 wrote:They are all leaky electrolytic SMDs which I have found tantalum replacements for - easy. 11 to do.

I'd be very dubious about replacing aluminium electrolytics with tantalums - the latter don't like any kind of transient, and tend to explode rather violently if they get even a whiff of something close to their limits. I had one shoot past my ear when I had an old BCNZ audio limiter on my workbench a few years ago.
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Re: SE/30 recap - advice?

Postby mrad01 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:49 pm

arjoll wrote:
mrad01 wrote:They are all leaky electrolytic SMDs which I have found tantalum replacements for - easy. 11 to do.

I'd be very dubious about replacing aluminium electrolytics with tantalums - the latter don't like any kind of transient, and tend to explode rather violently if they get even a whiff of something close to their limits. I had one shoot past my ear when I had an old BCNZ audio limiter on my workbench a few years ago.


Seems to be what all the cool kids are doing out there. I'll give it a go! Reliability seems much higher long term...

Here is an image of someone elses tantalum recapped SE/30 board: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66071596@N00/3867201840/
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Re: SE/30 recap - advice?

Postby mrad01 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:52 pm

Success!!!

My SE/30s have been fully recapped and now have much more volume - sound like I remember in 1991.
I ended up using Tantalum tabs (make sure you get them around the right way, or they pop) and bending the pins outward and surface soldering them. Works perfectly.

My method ended up being to use small sidecutters to cut the old caps off, pull away the base and insulator, then desolder the remaining pins.
Clean up the mounting pads by tinning and then wick to remove all the old solder.
Bend out the legs of the new cap, trim, then solder them in.

You need 10x 47uf(16V) caps and 1x1uf(50V+)

Well worth it, and not too hard.

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Re: SE/30 recap - advice?

Postby mrad01 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:18 am

I have now done 3 boards. All my SE/30s have sound and no caps to leak in the future! If you do attempt this, and lift a pad for some reason, fear not, this diagram shows where each cap is wired to so you could run a wire (I had to on C6 for one board)

This is gold for a SE/30 recapper:

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Re: SE/30 recap - advice?

Postby tezza on Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:42 am

This is an excellent resource! Thanks for posting.
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