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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby recycled on Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:48 pm

ZL2AOX wrote:I would gratefully accept, if the offer still stands. I tried to install a Mitsumi floppy drive in the Classic, but for some reason it wouldn't work.

Sorry, I have not checked back for a bit. Yes, the offer is still good, nobody else jumped up and got in first, so I'll take the above as confirmation you will be the new owner ;o) Personal message me and we can get started when you are ready - I'll check back a little more promptly for the next couple of days!

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recycled wrote:...is an example of what I'm referring to as the 'old' case, where the floppy drive height is the same as the CD-ROM.
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Yep, that's the case I have. No mention of two different ones in the SS5 service manual though.

Then for an internal CD-drive you are going to have to track down a drive whose physical dimensions match that of the Toshiba drive I've mentioned above. Oooo, you have a manual even. I had to wing it, which is probably why I don't know what the correct designation is for the cases.

Radar, that is a terrible tease regarding the stored computers!
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby ZL2AOX on Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:20 am

Thanks, PM sent.

I think I'll try jury-rigging the CD-ROM drive from my O2, just to get OS etc installed on the Suns.
Then I'll look at setting up the Classic as a file server.

Need to wait for those NVRAM chips to arrive first though...
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby recycled on Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:32 pm

I hope you are not going to give up on that SS20. (Half hour to go, this is pretty late notice for you). That is the 'top of the line' of the pizza box machines for this vintage. You'll play with this for five minutes and bin the SS5! Shame the guy selling it doesn't know anything about it.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby Carcenomy on Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:27 pm

TLDR did you find a SCSI CDROM drive? I think I have a spare.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby ZL2AOX on Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:14 pm

Thanks to recycled for kindly donating a floppy drive & bezel for the SS5. :)

After replacing NVRAM chips, I can now boot both machines. On the Classic's HD was Red Hat 6.2 (server). The SS5 was running SunOS but since I didn't know the root password, I reinstalled Solaris 7 using the CD-ROM drive from my SGI O2. At least I know it works and can always borrow it when the need arises.

Still on the lookout for the correct Sun CD-ROM drive for the SS5, plus an external one for the Classic.
Also, memory SIMMs and larger SCA hard drive(s) for the SS5, which currently has only a single 535MB disk.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby Paul on Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:04 am

Surely you could have cracked the password on the SunOS to save that install? All you need is a copy of the passwd file out of /etc.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby recycled on Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:55 am

Paul wrote:Surely you could have cracked the password on the SunOS to save that install? All you need is a copy of the passwd file out of /etc.

http://www.openwall.com/john/ Not everybody's cup of tea, and why bother, who knows how badly it was cleaned/sanitised by a previous owner.

Then again, what do you expect to do with the 'recovered data'? Planning on extorting someone? Increasing the size of your kiddie pron library? Free software?

The community know a lot of us buy kit to see what 'free software' we can get, but we should not be advertising we're doing it, regarding the negative image the media associates with it. Certainly not advertising we can crack your password, as that can only ever imply we're doing evil things!

At it's simplest, it is not a good look to go advertising that you get your jollies reading through other peoples old files.

Phrases like "I have recently recovered a copy of <exciting old game title here> from an MFM hard drive", "the blank discs I bought also included a copy of <engrossing text adventure title here>", "Success! I've used kryoflux to image a copy protected game that nobody else has in their online library", are probably acceptable, but to be kept to a minimum. If it implies you've trawled through thousands of megs of unrelated data or cracked some serious protection to do it, well, just keep it to yourself.

Unless you represent a data recovery company and are advertising for business.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby Gibsaw on Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:52 am

recycled wrote:why bother etc

Really? He bothers because this is vintage kit, and wishes to have the machine stay running. At barest minimum, sometimes it's the only chance you will get to see the machine in a working configuration. This is particularly true for expensive UNIX boxes and mainframes. I've seen many people embark upon a "rebuild" only to find they can't get everything they need. He may not have the relevant media that should accompany the machine. He might not even have experience reinstalling the type of machine.

He's not remotely interested in the legacy data, and the reference to kiddie porn was totally uncalled for.
recycled wrote:Phrases like ...<kryoflux, recovered game etc>..., are probably acceptable

Actually, Despite the often implied moral justification of "preserving" software, kryoflux and recovered copies of an old games is the most likely item to be of dubious legality, depending upon the generosity of the publisher regarding titles no longer sold.

Why imply wrongdoing here? The software is not "free" in any sense of the word implying piracy. He has purchased the machine, for better or worse. Sometimes the monetary value was zero, but either way the machine and ALL that it comes with is now owned by you. Very commercial software that tends to be on expensive UNIX servers, is far more likely that the proper licenses for the software would be tied to the machine and be validly owned by the person by virtue of owning the machine.
recycled wrote:At it's simplest, it is not a good look to go advertising that you get your jollies reading through other peoples old files.

No-one is getting their jollies here. It's pretty normal to do a cleanup of personal data, without starting from scratch. No-one is "trawling megabytes of personal data". You might check to see what something is, before removal, but you treat it with the same level of confidentiality and detachment as would the original sysadmin of the machine removing a user.

And just like removing a user, I've even seen occasions where personal data has been able to be returned to someone who thought they had lost it forever.
recycled wrote:Certainly not advertising we can crack your password, as that can only ever imply we're doing evil things!

Many people don't think about what happens to their data on machines they dispose of. Paul made a reference to "saving an install." I'd say it's actually you who just waved a big red flag drawing attention to the bleeding obvious implications that personal data can be recovered.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby Paul on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:27 am

Thank you Gibsaw for writing that defense, which is exactly in-line with my goals. I would always delete any user data found but so far that's not been necessary. In addition I have always had the approval of the previous owner before doing this.

Frankly if an apology is not forthcoming from recycled than I am done here.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby Gibsaw on Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:13 pm

Paul wrote:Thank you Gibsaw for writing that defense, which is exactly in-line with my goals. I would always delete any user data found but so far that's not been necessary. In addition I have always had the approval of the previous owner before doing this.

No problem. I commented largely because blind sanitisation (i.e. wipe or destroy hard disk with no "privacy invading" examination of it's contents) is unrealistic for vintage kit, and I don't agree with that expectation being imposed by modern expectations regarding data.

I've seen TM auctions where the machine is now effectively ruined because the owner has insisted on retaining the (proprietary) hard disk, rather than working with vintage bidders who would happily have assisted in sanitising the machine.
Paul wrote:Frankly if an apology is not forthcoming from recycled than I am done here.

I'm willing to guess that recycled thought he was taking the high road. The post was ill-considered. I wouldn't leave the board over it.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby tezza on Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:39 pm

Gibsaw wrote:I'm willing to guess that recycled thought he was taking the high road. The post was ill-considered. I wouldn't leave the board over it.

Having little interest in SCSI CD-ROM drives I haven't been following this thread (until now).

I agree with Gibsaw and I'm willing to guess the same. Just a post where the words could have been (and I would argue should have been) chosen more carefully to make the point. I wouldn't read too much into it. All of us have been using forums long enough to know "tone" is not easy to pick up in just the written word but I think it's forgotten by those of us that post sometimes. What the writer intends as good-natured ribbing can come across as serious and aggressive. Paste a few smilies in significant places and that post of Recycler's could be interpreted quite differently. Hopefully Recycler will confirm it wasn't meant to be quite as it appeared at face value.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby recycled on Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:22 pm

I apologies to Paul and any others who have been offended my my flippant comment. I had not intended it to be taken as badly as it has come across. I had just meant to indicate the way the media will always jump on any negative aspect of 'Hacking' or implied password bypassing, the less advertised, the better.
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby ZL2AOX on Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:37 pm

Paul wrote:Surely you could have cracked the password on the SunOS to save that install? All you need is a copy of the passwd file out of /etc.

I'd previously acquired Solaris 7 with a complete set of manuals, so was keen to use it. When I noticed the installed OS was actually an earlier version, I figured I would likely update it anyway. Wasn't really interested in anything else that might have been on the disk; I just want to do a little Unix programming and maybe set up a LAN connecting other machines in my collection.

Linux and other free unices are also an option - e.g. NetBSD, OpenBSD. I think I read on Obsolyte that some people recommend Linux for these older Sun machines. Apparently the later versions of Solaris are a bit slow. Actually, I wanted to do a full development install of Solaris but... not enough space. It needed > 1Gb :shock:
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby rihhanarachel on Sun May 05, 2013 12:00 am

I explored everywhere for SCSI CD-ROM drives but too hardly I got them at http://www.wiseguys.co.nz/computer-hardware
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Re: SCSI CD-ROM drives

Postby Carcenomy on Sun May 05, 2013 2:18 pm

No you didn't. They only have SATA and IDE models, and the IDE ones are pretty scarce as it is.
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